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Re: 4 new albums announced

Post by cooperrocks » Sun Aug 05, 2018 4:47 pm

Actually the record label Alice is currently with is doing a really solid job not just with improved sales for Alice but other artist as well. He is likely to stick around on the label for a while.

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Re: 4 new albums announced

Post by Railwayman » Sun Aug 12, 2018 8:39 pm

Wonder if the new Alice album wold have more collaborations with the the original surviving ACG members.
Would also like to give the current touring band the opportunity to contribute but wonder if they have the time or inclination with their solo projects. Certainly Ryan and Tommy have contributed previously

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Re: 4 new albums announced

Post by Si » Sun Aug 12, 2018 11:20 pm

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Would also like to give the current touring band the opportunity to contribute but wonder if they have the time or inclination with their solo projects. Certainly Ryan and Tommy have contributed previously
The current band WANT to record in the studio with Alice.

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Re: 4 new albums announced

Post by Railwayman » Mon Aug 13, 2018 10:58 am

Well the British thing to do would be to write a letter.
Dear Mr. Cooper ....

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Re: 4 new albums announced

Post by Dannorama » Sat Sep 01, 2018 2:52 pm

Si wrote:
Sun Aug 12, 2018 11:20 pm
Railwayman wrote:
Sun Aug 12, 2018 8:39 pm
Would also like to give the current touring band the opportunity to contribute but wonder if they have the time or inclination with their solo projects. Certainly Ryan and Tommy have contributed previously
The current band WANT to record in the studio with Alice.
Kind of bewildering that they have not done that yet. The last time we had a cohesive album from his "current" band was 10 years ago (ACAS).
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Re: 4 new albums announced

Post by guttertrash » Sat Sep 01, 2018 10:52 pm

Dannorama wrote:
Sat Sep 01, 2018 2:52 pm
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Would also like to give the current touring band the opportunity to contribute but wonder if they have the time or inclination with their solo projects. Certainly Ryan and Tommy have contributed previously
The current band WANT to record in the studio with Alice.
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Kind of bewildering that they have not done that yet. The last time we had a cohesive album from his "current" band was 10 years ago (ACAS).
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ACAS only had his full touring band on I think 2 tracks. There were a couple that had Keri, Chuck, and Eric but not Jason Hook, but the majority of the album was performed by the two people that also produced it.

That album has always come off to me as two music hacks that tried to make a name for themselves by working with Alice. It’s too bad, because some of those songs would have been likable with a little more care and a better producer like Mudrock or even the guys that produced DD.

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Re: 4 new albums announced

Post by Devon » Mon Sep 03, 2018 2:23 am

guttertrash wrote:
Sat Sep 01, 2018 10:52 pm
That album has always come off to me as two music hacks that tried to make a name for themselves by working with Alice.
But they did make names for themselves. Just check their MySpace pages.

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Re: 4 new albums announced

Post by Saint&Sinner » Mon Sep 03, 2018 10:17 pm

I think anyone who knows anything alice related will attest that our two producer friends on ACAS had no idea what they were doing. The album is passable to good currently, i believe if bob ezrin was in charge of the producers chair (or anyone with working ears) it would have been a much better album.

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Re: 4 new albums announced

Post by Si » Mon Sep 03, 2018 10:33 pm

Saint&Sinner wrote:
Mon Sep 03, 2018 10:17 pm
I think anyone who knows anything alice related will attest that our two producer friends on ACAS had no idea what they were doing. The album is passable to good currently, i believe if bob ezrin was in charge of the producers chair (or anyone with working ears) it would have been a much better album.
I think, and it's only a personal feeling, that it was really ONE of the producers that caused the problems with ACAS. Saber was a pop/indie producer and as he played and wrote much of the record that is what we got. Hampton had more rock credentials but it seems, to me at least, that Saber had the most influence.

I suppose it's what you get when you tell someone to go record an album for you to sing on, which is what ACAS feels like to me.
The album has possibilities, but the sound, arrangements, and overall feel is the problem, along with a few terrible songs that should never have been recorded for an AC album.

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Re: 4 new albums announced

Post by Saint&Sinner » Tue Sep 04, 2018 3:31 am

Agreed with everything there Si -
The odd thing is i remember Alice saying that the album was delayed because he was waiting for the two muppets in question to be free for the project. I know alice has faith in his producers and seems to give them largely free rein (which is a good thing with a artist as big as alice as its easy to be a "dont you know who i am" person) but in this case his faith was woefully misguided.
I would like to hear a version of this album by ezrin but sadly we have what we have.
The weird thing is the more you listen to the album the worse it gets! initially i was ok with it (never loved it), but that didnt last long.
Also as an aside - Hungry is one of the worst Alice tunes ever! I hate that tune so much.

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Re: 4 new albums announced

Post by cooperrocks » Tue Sep 04, 2018 2:26 pm

I am actually a bigger fan of solo Alice than even the work with the original band as great as it was. However, I do agree about Along Came a Spider. What is sad is that album actually debuted with a good opening week chart number and some of the things they did like the online pinball machine, the mini-movie they did to promote the album etc had potential and I thought "Vengeance is Mine" was a good tune but the production on that album just destroyed it for me. I recently went back to revisit ACAS and I still didn't care for it. It may be my least favorite Alice album of his solo career.

What also bothers me is the storyline was really good and you do hear some potential in a few of the songs. It could have been so much more.

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Re: 4 new albums announced

Post by guttertrash » Tue Sep 04, 2018 9:42 pm

Danny Saber was and is still known as a remix guy. Greg being a rock guy should have at least been able to get some good sounding tones, but it all just sounds rather cheap and demo quality.

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Re: 4 new albums announced

Post by padre_sliprat » Tue Sep 11, 2018 7:48 am

Lace and Whiskey is one of my top three AC albums. Used to be my #1 from '77 until maybe a year ago. Anyway, glad it's getting the special release treatment.
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Re: 4 new albums announced

Post by While Heaven Wept » Tue Sep 11, 2018 9:03 am

guttertrash wrote:
Tue Sep 04, 2018 9:42 pm
Danny Saber was and is still known as a remix guy. Greg being a rock guy should have at least been able to get some good sounding tones, but it all just sounds rather cheap and demo quality.
Yep, spot on. The album sounds like a bunch of pre production demos to me. Programmed or sampled drums, synthetic guitars and ropey vocals. As someone else stated, it's a shame as everything else including the packaging and promotion showed some real promise.

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